Then dont quote. The interlocutors then indicate (with varying degrees of politeness and charity) that theyd prefer not to have a substantive discussion if its going to include that kind of personal unpleasantness. The Epistle to Corinth Maybe on his screen it looked smaller. Have you heard the other side of the story? Perhaps he can use this not as a tit for tat, but as a chance to expand. Biting again As for using the pictures, at least they have made people think about the meaning of charity in communicating Gospel truth. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. Islam is theocratic. And now we descend into argumentum ad hominem. If this is the best of the best, Im not all that impressed. Now that you have the answers to questions like, What does alpha mean? and What does omega mean?, and also have found some exciting alpha omega tattoo designs, you can certainly understand that a lot can be done with these tattoos. 5 days and counting and no one has interacted with Dr. Whites points. As I pointed out above, and you reitterated, we must be prepared to forgive at all times. The Question is, can they do anything about it? All someone has to do is know the URL of the site they wish to forward to. What makes you think I am refering specifically to Catholics. Barry- No, it doesnt. Im not interested in White and his fanboys/fangals diversion into Nicaea, sola scriptura and whatnot. should have bowed to those weak Catholic sensibilities in this matter of humor. Or do you deliberately GLOSS OVER Whites specious statements??? change of lifestyle. This is human effort and a form of works salvation. I see now that blindly following James White is acceptable for you. because the Bible told me to. But then, as others have pointed out, youve got Catholic apologists doing the same sort of jokes from their side. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Youre acting like Muslims! has become the house retort. Asked for prayer for Dennis Pillay and his wife in South Africa as end-of-life issues confront them, that God would give comfort and strength. Beware of Dr. James White's heresy of Lordship Salvation, Youre mischaracterizing divine inspiration to fit your meaning in order to draw that conclusion, either you or Aquinas was. It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. I was an Anticatholic, Reformed Baptist, from (at least 3) previous generations of AntiCatholic Reformed Baptist Preachers The horrors and dangers of catholicism were judged to be so pronounced as to excuse or require harsh []charity. seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Also, Im in full agreement with Mr. Donald Casadonte. Your posts have said it. Hence, when you combine all that with an anchor and the alpha and omega, which also attributes to Jesus, it could translate to mean that your beliefs are strongly anchored in the teachings of Christianity. 1-877-753-3341 (Toll Free) Seeing entire languages disappear. Its cool though its not like this even matters in the long run, its the internet after all. Youre so meanYoure so mean ;^). In that respect, I think White is right to say Do these folks really think that lying about me, slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it is supposed to attract me to this religion? Everybody here knows hes lashing out irrationally, and right or wrong, theres no reason to be an occasion of sin by provocation. AOMIN App Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. Clark Im not interested in buying any bridges. Protestant Evangelicals disagree with each other on infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, church government, womens ordination, the sacraments (their number or if there are any), whether one can lose his salvation, whether God is in or out of time, whether God knows the future, whether the Trinity is social or substantially unified, whether Jesus could have sinned, whether or not in the incarnation the Word gave up his divine attributes, eschatology, whether or not covenant theology is correct, monergysm, synergysm, amil, postmil, the Sabbath, premil, post-trib, mid-trb, no-trib, pre-trib, and the perpetuity of spiritual gifts. He fully knows ahead of His actual writings exactly what will be said/written, and the limits and extent of all scripture throughout all time. Tech Country:US You know, irreducible tautologies and such. Please correct my misunderstandings of this argument. You do not compare your interlocutors to Islamists or portray those who urge charity on your part as if they were advocates of beheading those who disagree with them. it wasnt a smear at all, but rather a big (and possibly willful) misunderstanding by Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church (Matt. The intention is often to provoke wry smiles and amusement rather than outright belly laughs. And Catholic Answers! It was a distortion. It is outrageous. 3. There can be no excuse for this. They had a sacred book that provided an explanation of history which so far transcended every other explanation as to be unquestionable. Esau, the claim was Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. Such a claim is based on a negative view of SOME of his supporters on this forum and ignores the existence of supporters, perhaps to include those who haved posted on JA, who have been and/or are otherwise willing to participate in serious discussion were it not for the hostilities and dismissiveness present on the JA forum. In fact, even the notion that invoking Nazis equates to forfeiture is technically an extension of the original law, which merely states that a comparison to Hitler or Nazis becomes increasingly inevitable the longer an online discussion continues. The minimum requirement is mutual respect. Thank you, Constantine. Absolutely. I believe that if he did something to those who were to succeed him, passing the torch, so to speak, that those who took the torch could then pass it on. Writing this response again reminded me that many of your statements simply do not pass the logic test nor debate skills, an observation that several here have made. Sandy: You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. You cant. Designs like this look very chic and are most commonly opted for by women. Not. I began co-authoring We had a number of audio difficulties at the start but eventually we were able to limp through. Do you think I should take the time for the rest? one) have in fact already made the determination. Your first sentence is a non sequitur. Also reported on the last few nights in Opelousas (which I mispronounced at the start! Jimmy can admit a mistake; I dont know whether James can. This is all pertinent to the next little blurb, which reads: Home Finally I see now the ruse!!! OLE JIMBO WHITE APOLOGIZE?? Is The Roman Catholic Priesthood Biblical & Ancient? As Ive stated previously: Its simply the way it is. OK, let me see if I get what the White supporters are saying: Since Mr White has chosen to make the south end of a northbound horse out of himself, by posting the kind of garbage that would shame a longshoremanSince he has done this, after a zillion & a half other similar tricks, we all need to???? Pretty much actually. He would have been better off to have admitted, some time ago, that he had made a grave error. Otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart. Calling him on it has nothing to do with hatred. I am a theorist I merely analyze humor he has to consider its impact. This is a little worse than that time you told that horribly inappropriate joke at worst place and time and everyone looked at you like you were Jack the Ripper or something. Dont use this as a cheap debate tactic to aviod the real issues. CAIR uses that argument too. Dr. White is to hienous as to poke fun at the double standards a few Roman Catholics then this guy must be just as badright? When did CareBear claim he was saved by effeminate characters? *waggles her eyebrows at Esau* . Even Martin Luther acknowleged this: With James Renihan vs. Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan, With Geoff Volker vs. Robert Strimple and Gary Johnson, With Robert Zins vs. Scott Butler and Robert Sungenis, Islam and Christianity: A Matter of Denial in Answering Islam:Countering Terror with Truth. you called me a name-caller and labeled my actions as inappropriate and vile. his or her jumping the gun about falsely ascribing malicious intent to Catholic Answer and If anything, you are actually guilty of the fallacy of neglected evidence as you have failed to consider (to the extent of even overlooking) evidence that is likely to be relevant to the argument here such as elements in the debate itself between White v. Beckwith. -CareBear. Especially when the fellow braying about substance has all the heft of helium. No, you did that. warning from God not to add or subtract from His Words. 5. Any idiocy, therefore, is purely tactical. 1:8). There apparently are two people using the user name Steve. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. Bill, right on the button. I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs. Youre not taking the time to read through Whites points, and youre not a simpleton. But Romes dominionism is jihadism. Trying to claim superiority is likewise wrong. The Pharisees were definitely into winning, but here they pulled a loser because they didnt get the kingdom concept, that its about the heart, not the housing, be it political, institutional, or otherwise. Again, heres the full quote: Once Gods spirit moved upon the very first author of Scripture, cannon (infallible) came into existence. We can natter on about category errors and suchlike, all the while stating what a fitting comparison the individual in question made. ya know Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. alleges that critics of Lordship Salvation don't believe repentance is necessary for salvation. Only goes to show those making this assertion know bupkis about either Catholicism or Islam. However, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible. w00t! I look forward to reading more of your work. Anybody (other than Catholic Anwers) can seize and own a url??? James White is not. Now, on to another topic. If I am raised in China, and I am told to worship at the Church of the Three Eyes, do I not have moral obligation, arising under natural law, to question that assertion? Alpha & Omega Ministries 2.7K views Streamed 9 years ago Sermons and Teachings Play all Dr. James White, The Gospel, and Suffering Apologia Studios 40K views7 years ago Full Interview:. Many people can express frustration quite effectively without resorting to photos like those. Are. (Two concepts you would do well to look into developing in yourself). So God will providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them, and he provide a mechanism for doing just thatthe Church. When was it considered a conspiracy to figure that a url belonged to the site it directed to? Im Only in this self emptying is an abundant harvest. Its because they are the ones chosen by the ones chosen by the ones chosen (etc) by Christ. I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs. Additionally, the symbol for omega looks like it has been carved into the skin, which is quite intriguing, to say the least. In short, you either need to be divinely inspired yourself to know, or you need (Divine) testimony which is beyond doubt. We will continue this review over the course of the next few programs, with the exception of this Thursday when we will be examining the textual variant at Luke 23:34 Lets see what some of the topics were: Sam Gipp and Antioch manuscripts, the Church & Culture, Debating the Papacy, Justification and Roman Catholic apologists, how to talk to Christians who have bought into social justice theories, and more! This snippet begins with a rather bizarre straw-man argument subtly disguised as a jab at the Church. He also loses any debate on this point via special application of Godwins Law. Those who did so showed their fruits, by which we now know them. Arent you guys going to protest regarding THE DECEPTION by White & Co. I find it amusing that most, if not almost all of those accusing James White or wrongdoing are foregoining any possible transgression by Akin or any one of his cronies. Are Roman Catholics Our Brothers and Sisters in Christ? I would like to invite Evangelicals . You. Ive met White and seen him debate. Hey, I know how you can tell if youve made a *really* good response! 2 Corinthians 10:17&18 Everybody knows Im rightright? However, an en masse mailing would be counter-productive for at least two reasons I can think of. I would only add that I think I know where this comes from, or at least where the frustration comes from. Yall had to do a lot of reflecting, toning down, and adjusting of your make-up to transform yourselves into the reasonable safe institution you are today. if the commenter had substituted people for racevoila! In fact I would argue that by the act of creating, God demonstrated that practice. Keep in mind that the Catholic Church is not a person, its the church founded by Christ. And enter it into the form so that it would do what it does. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Who was the Founder of Christianity? Double standards? Im asking you since you believe in Sola Scriptura, how do you determine what is Scripture and what is not??? CB: The truth is that there are two You answered how you determine what is scripture and what is not? naming your offense) but to go beyond that, to in effect try to get the last jab in (e.g. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. God inspires, and the canon expresses the limitation of that action. This is obviously a waste of time. You contradict yourself within this sentence. See more ideas about tattoos, body art tattoos, alpha omega tattoo. Well, the only defense you can offer is of someone on this thread having a serious discussion, presumably about the bad behavior of White, given that the topic of both posts have been his bad behavior. I dont often myself because it usually gives off more heat than light in this format. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. Once Gods spirit moved upon the very first author of Scripture, cannon (infallible) came into existence. So youre saying that you would consider (lets say) a racial slur acceptable so long as it wasnt intended as serious even by its author? Most Tuesday Mornings at (And of course by that I mean owning up to one.) That is a horrendous thought, and much as we might dislike White or Carebear, they do not want to be disobedient to Christ. I dont ask that you agree, but I do wish that you would try to understand that we are truly trying to do Gods will. *grin*. Dr. Beckworth, however, has not slung mud. righteous thing that I can do!. Posts are filled with illustrations of the situation that make White out ot be the devil and yet Akin seems to have clean hands. Theoretically, wouldnt God perfectly intend for us to know, oh say, the Canon of Scripture if indeed Scripture was to be our sole Authority? I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? We have been sucked into it because The lonely hermetic cell is calling [us] to quiet, prayerful contemplation and [we are] running from the silence where the voice of God resides. Ignoring the thrust of an argument We recently had an international conference on humor where we had a session that analyzed these types of failed jokes. Blog Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. Its not as if God sits on His Throne in Heaven and yells to some Cherubs Hey guys, its time to update that Canon, Ive just written another book through John. Remember nowsubstance. The Story of the Book of Kings[15] The fact youre spitting a few dozen indignant syllables indicates that the dart hit home. (Fellow Catholics, if I, in any way misrepresent the teachings of Christ or the Church, feel free to correct me. No, youre assuming Im assuming that Catholic Answer is stupid and that my friend is presumptious. The King James Bible your inability and/or unwillingness to suppose that the world is larger than you are, that God is larger than you are The only thing that has gone on here is 6 or 7 people posted anwhere from 50 to 60 posts each, whipping each other into a mob frenzy I dont care to read about James Whites brilliant forays into apologetics in this thread. Jesus, Before anyone knew the state of what God had done (canon mediated), God infallibly knew the current state and content of canon (infallible). And now White & Co. has become the new cartoonists to the riots of people on this forum. Sorry, 2nd not 1st Corinthians. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM Or even the likes of Jack Chick. Nor do I take issue with being called a goblin as I am not at all thin-skinned (as previously stated). Then we are no longer talking about the cannon. Especially the last two sections. That its okay for James White to post pictures of terrorists and make the comparison between these terrorists and Catholics. As the creator of said images, I gave those images their name. Seriously, folks, ignore the Trademarked toy. People did this to James White. I dont remember Dr. White saying that Dr. Beckwith was a liar. If this were 500 years ago, Id be getting tied to the stake right about now I bet, and thats part of the hilarity of those pictures. Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? You guys are down right mean :(, if I didnt know better I wouldnt guess you were catholics. Not to mention a call to the authorities. The Teaching of Ignatius Either way, to go on like you do about Roman Catholics being compared to terrorists is fallacious, as has been illustrated and, regardless of your inability to accept the truth, be it intentional of unintentional, it is wrong for you (and Jimmy Akin) to continue purporting such a thing until you can successfully defend your assertion without presuming those things I outlined. And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. Never argue with a fool, because a third party will not be able to tell the difference. Correlation B. Astronomical Data 1. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. I understand hes real nice in person. 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