None of that means shit. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. Thats like native Americans boycotting jack Daniels because of American colonialism. Paddy is pretty readily available in the New York Metro Area, but Ive never seen it since I left for warmer climes. Every time you raise a glass of Bushmills you are in essence raising a glass to an Irishman losing his land (and in some cases his life) to British rule!! There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Just dont do anything silly like order it on the rocksits way too good for that. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. there was thought to be up towards 25 distilleries in this town at one time. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Believe in the Trinity of God. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. I was wondering this myself. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. I took a fifth of Bushmills with me in my checked luggage. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. Ferdinand II was a devout Roman Catholic and relatively intolerant when compared to his predecessor, Rudolf II. Finish The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. The situation is ridiculous. And as our clan motto states commit thy work to god. Nice lark, it is my keeper whiskey (special occasion), while Powers is now my everyday spirit. As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). In: St. Patrick's Day. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. We dont live in the dark ages anymore, though clearly prejudice and ignorance persist. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. neither, Im a Jew. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. Cant wait to find out. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer Bourbon distillers only use barrels once, as the liquor gets its distinct flavor and color from the oak. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. Such crap why are all these experts so called Irishmen living in US. Now I need to locate Redbreast! Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. However, it is generally accepted that the catagory, as a whole, is spelt that way as well. Not sure if it is available outside of Ireland, but if you can, get a hold of a bottle. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. . And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. Privacy Policy | Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. Ive enjoyed most Irish whiskey Ive sampled, including Powers, Tully, and Bushmills. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. . John Jameson was Pentecostal. I do live in a Hicktown. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. It is either good or it is not. No coffee or anything green. While were tossing around personal stories, about 20 years ago I met some younger guys from Glasgow at a local pub, and I mentioned how I knew that neither Scotland nor Ireland were altogether warm with England, but I didnt know how the Irish and Scots felt about each other. Whiskey has no religion. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. The town of Bushmills is a black hole. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. Been sipping since I was a wee-lad and have tried lots of whiskey with leanings towards both Irish whiskey and Single malt Scotches. Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Catholics and Protestants.It is particularly reinforced by the fierce rivalry between Celtic F.C. Who really cares. It is true to say it is an almost exclusively Protestant village, but otherwise it is a quiet rural area on a picturesque coastline, visited annually by thousands of tourists from both side of the divide. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. Will never forgive parents. Anyhow, being 2nd generation American with grandparents from Greece, Ireland & England, I come from a long line of short, fat, peasant stock (with alcoholic tendencies, thank you). Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. The truth is that great whiskey is produced in both the north and south of Ireland. Usually King James Version. I can solve this argument. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. Bushmills does not, to my certain knowledge, employ Catholics as certain industries/companies are, let us say, reserved for one tribe or another in the Black North. Still love it. It was their house label Irish before it was readily available in the US. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. As a good Roman Catholic, Ive always raised my Jameson in tribute to my Irish Catholic brethren (actually I like Jameson a little more than Bushmills anyway) until, on a recent trip to Ireland with my Irish-American Wife (nee Powers), I bought a bottle of Redbreast on a lark. The last member of the family to sit on the board was Sir Thomas Talbot Power,[8] who died in 1930,[10] and with him the Power's Baronetcy. Starting with Bushmills which I am using as a warm up to my usual Wild Turkey 101. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. The Catholic and Protestant Reformations established long-lasting effects within the religious world. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? Wonderful thread. I find it to be a littlethick? A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Ginger cake, brazil nuts, treacle Whiskey hasnt got a religion. wear my orange on St. Patricks Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. Believe in the Trinity of God. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. Hats off to all the others. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. Terrific reading. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Although I prefer my BUSHMILLS Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. A Mac computer geek thats too young to retire and too old for male prostitution. I remember back in my younger days hearing of the Troubles and feeling for those involved and I felt mostly for the Catholics. Redbreast is wonderful, but spendy. Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . I was playing golf in Ireland, and I asked my caddy what was his favorite whiskey. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . Holy moly, Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. Now I have a different taste preference and enjoy Bushmills in the warmer months and back to Jameson when it gets a chill in the air. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . I tasted the Jamesons before I poured in any ginger ale & so glad I did, Irish whiskey is sooooo much better IMHO than Scotch or bourbon IMHO. Slainte. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Corned beef as it exists today is an industrial product which was created during the British Industrial Revolution, with production centred around Ireland. Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. Bushmills released a statement saying:Its just one of the outrageous statements put about in an attempt to blacken our name. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. @Allen: Thats just my point. When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Funny. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! But thats merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork Catholic country. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Does anyone know why these bottles were over there ? It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. Liquorice-like sherry notes I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. Talk about confused. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. Only if you are an idiot! He replied, Bushmills. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Despised it. and IRELAND vs SCOTLAND!! I said, so youre Protestant? TRIPLE SEC, 2 shots of BUSHMILLS, Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. Right now Redbreast, Bushmills 10yr Single malt ( drinking neat as I type), Jameson and Michael Collins Blend. I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. In particular the 1951 offering of which Ive never tasted its superior. Cake As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. All appointments are made solely on the basis of merit.. Good evening All, All Irish whiskey is great. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. My grandmother preferred Bushmills (on ice, with a large splash of water). [2] Jamesons for sure. Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. Thanks all for your comments. Gin with a lime is Protestant. 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