After that I switched back to Larks, and I smoked those for a really long time. I never had any machines. It could be clean and less dangerous, and not horrible, not under a tidal wave of tourists. Why did your family send you to America? CLEMENTE: And the illustrations were by Marc Balet? I cant imagine what I could have done with it. High Times: Tell me about your career as a poet. Fortunately they didnt, so its not around to haunt me. I also wrote plays for my cousins to perform at various family gatherings. Me and, like, five of what I then thought of as old menthey were probably 40smoking cigars, watching these movies. At the age of 21, Lebowitz was hired by Andy Warhol as a columnist . High Times: Tell me about your writing habits. Two rare items of Andy Warhol: 1) Pop goes art - Institut fr Popkultur - 1990 - Box - Contains several items: - Glossy folder of loose-leaf art-paper reproductions. I just dont want to hear someone else walking around. So we always have this fight, because I have a biography section, and he doesnt like that, because its so inelegant to have a biography section. This is why I have problems with books, because you cannot do that the night before. Im only afraid when I write. Thats good for at least an hour of not writing. Then I start thinking that maybe somewhere in the house is a column that I never turned in. Gauloises, English Ovals, any cigarette that looked like it would annoy people. There were just tons of these and I never waited tables. Im not the biggest James Joyce fanatic and I would rather have dinner with someone who was funny. I also cleaned peoples houses, specializing in Venetian blinds. Monday June 7 2021. At least to my face. Well, I work on amachine. High Times: I remember telling you youd never make it as a writer until you learned how to type. I firmly believe that. But when I say no kitchen, I mean no sink. By Chuck Crisfulli. Bankers. I never watched TV at night because my mother put me to bed at 7:30 until I was 12. Lebowitz earned a GED and worked several odd jobs before Andy Warhol hired her as a columnist for Interview Magazine in 1972. Im speaking to you from a priceless, one-of-a-kind chair. High Times: What jobs have you had besides writing? I think there should be an oldies TV station like theres an oldies radio station, with Dobie Gillis and Life of Riley and all those great shows. Lebowitz: Not from the people who made the movies. The way the admissions director of Harvard decides who goes to Harvard, Id like to decide who comes here. Fran Lebowitz: "A dumb woman is the preferred woman in the USA" The essayist and speaker on her Manhattan lockdown, 9/11 and disappointing Americans - from Andy Warhol to Joe Biden. Donald Trump is not my fault. But I really dont like animals at all. You can blame certain things on me, but not Donald Trump. Grammy-Award winning group members Vin Rock and KayGee reminisce on their New Jersey beginnings, the 30th anniversary of 19 Naughty III and monster hit Hip Hop Hooray, and their relationship with cannabis as a party catalyst and creative tool. New Yorkers, weve seen Donald Trump for, like, 30 years; we know who he is. I got up every morning, brushed my teeth and went to the Village Vanguard and read poetry. All rights reserved, In an essay specially commissioned for the podcast, Aisha Sabatini Sloan describes rambling around Paris with her father, Lester Sloan, a longtime staff photographer for. Id rather have people shooting up in my apartment; at least I dont have to smell it. I have to take the TV off the chair. That never used to happen. Lebowitz: Id like to have a talk show with no guests. Ms. Lebowitz was interviewed by Glenn OBrien, a longtime friend who has proposed marriage on several occasions. Required fields are marked *. Would you say, You just cant afford to house four children. Especially really horrible ones. When I got to the hospital I was restrained. But perhaps it makes senseI grew up in a place where I saw the sea every day and, near the end of my life, Im living in a place where the water has run out. Oh, now I remember my favorite TV show from my childhood. She needed something bigger to disapprove of, and so her column became I Cover the Waterfront, and her beat became the entire universe of questionable taste. . And the matron walked in, and the girl actually swallowed it. They used the big Big Apple sign to lure these people who hate New Yorkbecause everyone hated New York thento New York. LEBOWITZ: But what about the caffeine? Like, this is the smart one, this is the pretty one. We have something here that you dont hear about anymore; we have tolerance. Its placing too great a burden on the average intelligence. I always was.FRAN LEBOWITZ. I drove a taxi. 1. In my grammar school we got extra credit for extra book reports. By Susan Devaney. The 70-year-old . I cant believe anyone has ever made a ballet. The two close friends first came together for an HBO documentary Public Speaking in 2010, directed by Scorsese, which introduced Lebowitz to a new generation and helped established her continued relevance. And that is the only place I have those columns, because when I moved from my first horrible apartment, I had every Interview, ever. For the movie review columns, I always knew exactly what I was going to write aboutthe movies. $598 $300 at Ralph. In introducing Fran Lebowitz to a contemporary large audience, the combination of biographical perspective and quasi-vrit style addresses the opposition between private and public (Arendt and Habermas). You have an idea for an app? No, Im just intrigued by them, because, to me, theyre like talking animals. And sometimes I went on at ten oclock in the morning and read to the guy sweeping up from the night before. The two things I hate the most. I saw the only job that was worse than writing. Lebowitz: I went through a period of watching $20,000 Pyramid, but it was too frustrating because every day I won $20,000 and I have no money. I think I will learn to type. When I moved out nine years later, there was no ceiling in the bathroom. It actually works here. Wasnt London still a capital of empire in the mid-60s, the cultural center of the Commonwealth? I mean, that is why we had that little war with England. One of my all-time favorite funny people was Jack Douglas. And thats why Frans first book, Metropolitan Life, has become a smash hit. She never really wrote anything else and has since made her living on the social commentary speaking circuit. And a piano player is sitting there as well. Im such a slow writer I have no need for anything as fast as a word processor. Her voice is as musical as ever, high-pitched, the Anglo-Caribbean lilt beguiling. "Eric Adams I saw coming. CLEMENTE: And when you wrote these columns, how did you go about that? Everyone I know says, Fran is a Luddite, she doesnt have a computer. But I never had a typewriter. He had only the biggest movies, and he acted like I was affecting the box office. Fran Lebowitz moved to New York City from her hometown of Morristown, NJ when she was 19. My first school punishment was sitting in the corner in kindergarten wearing a Band-Aid over my mouth and holding up a sign that said I am a chatterbox. That was my first run-in with authority. I picked up two famous people: one was Dr. Joyce Brothers, who undertipped me, and one was Rod Steiger. Im the worlds greatest daughter. Lebowitz maintains that she wrote the columns with the intention of building a distinct collection of essays. After gaining recognition for her I Cover the Waterfront, Lebowitz moved onto Mademooiselle before publishing her first two books, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies. LEBOWITZ: It may just be the offers Ive had, but generally, I think theres just more to say no to. CLEMENTE: Is there any aspect of New Jersey that you miss? Now, even if you have money, you can have a horrible apartment. I thought theyd probably just give me another joint. Because if people dont hold grudges, it means they just dont care what people do.FRAN LEBOWITZ, LEBOWITZ: It was for The New York Times. Polka Dotty ate seeds and celery tops, and my mother would give me Polka Dottys food, and I would go downstairs and eat it. And you didnt have to think about money every second. You can probably tell from my writing that Im obsessed with notions of justice and injusticethose things that are wrong that can never be made right. They thought I made them up. It was minute. I just dont want anyone in the apartment, not for longer than a few hours. The New York Times, especially at that time, was gigantic. Lebowitz: Actually my main occupation in bed was book reports. I played cello in the school orchestra, but I was so horrible that I soon got over the notion of being a cellist. Not just New York. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The novel is reputedly about rich people who want to be artists, and artists who want to be rich people. My mother and father thought that because I didnt go to college Id probably end up working in the five-and-ten. But I thought it was a job. Although complaint was her form, the result was a celebration of practical intelligence, a kind of Dr. Atkins epicureanism. He writes for the New Yorker. I did once smoke an ounce of marijuana in one day and ended up in the emergency ward at Mass. I rolled my own cigarettes. "Pretend it's a citywhere there are other people ," she pleads. You can get this book in the Derby Library in Derby, Connecticut, where my grandmother lives.. 246, Rachel Cusk and Sheila Heti discuss how writing her first novel helped Cusk discover her shape or identity or essence. Next, Allan Gurganuss reading of his story It Had Wings, about an arthritic woman who finds a fallen angel in her backyard, is interspersed with a version of the story rendered as a one-woman opera by the composer Bruce Saylor. I didnt want to have my consciousness expanded, I wanted to have it restricted. He was the only person who took me seriously enough to ban me. Fran Lebowitz, who is featured "Pretend It's a City" on Netflix. Then, in 1972, she began writing for Andy Warhols Interview. I wasnt an interesting behavior problem. Fran Lebowitz, ca. It was a very terrifying experience because when I started to flip out having smoked this much pot I was in a room with people who had also smoked this much pot and no one would help me out. There is no such thing as inner peace. And you know what we have enough of? A sense of, Im all alone in the world, and I have integrity. Children played marbles on it. LEBOWITZ: Money. What are those computer letters made of anyway? Just one day the headmaster woke up and thought. ' Thats how I feel. It was like the myth where if a girl gets pregnant and takes the boy to court, if three other boys come into court and say that they had slept with her, they would all get off scot-free. Now I call up friends during the day and theyre writing. And its not just New York; its the whole world. It seemed cruel even to other people because I was known as what we called a bright child. No, there wasnt any cause for celebration, though my mother did make me a new dress and see me off to the airport. People were pretty angry in general then. I wrote a musical comedy for my grandparents 35th wedding anniversary. Rare Vintage Andy Warhol's INTERVIEW Magazine, September 1981, featuringCover: FRAN LEBOWITZ w/ feature interview by JOHN WATERS (HYSTERICAL! Black cigarettes, every horrible adolescent smoking gesture imaginable. Just because its February doesnt mean were talking Roses! Directed by Martin Scorsese, it follows Lebowitz and Scorsese as they prowl New York City streets, museums and members clubs for conversations about the city. I just talked it while a speed freak typed it. They had a very weird array of people who worked there. Why is that? I didnt know that there was anything about me that had a name, that could be diagnosed. If I had to, I would rather have dinner with James Thurber, than, say James Joyce. The study where she writes is a sunroom surrounded on three sides by windows. And as soon as we finished, Marty goes, "Let's make another one." I used to sneak out of bed to watch it. I do remember that the worst movie I ever saw was called Four Flies on Gray Velvet, with Mimsy Farmer, one of your great loves. CLEMENTE: Since we are New Yorkers, we should talk real estate. Fran took on modern manners, aesthetics and culture the way William Buckley takes on liberalism. I dont want them to come. I have a real aversion to machines. This is America, what is the culture? Ive never had a job I liked. I had this aunt who had a book called The Night Visiters. My favorite thing to do is to call another writer who has a deadline, because they will stay on the phone with you. Steve paid me excessive amounts of money to answer his telephone. And now I eat a steak before I write, like a prizefighter. Holding a grudge is the modern equivalent of having standards. Interview still frame courtesy of Stephanie Black. But I will go see any comedian. By Meredith Blake Staff Writer. A prominent liberal Democrat with a keen political eye, Lebowitz has. But, I mean, years ago I had a girlfriend who summed me up perfectly. Well, perhaps, but I never really felt I belonged even in Antigua, even when I was little. China is not a great idea: capitalism and a dictator. You dont have to pay me. She said, It is out of the question that this is going to come in without needing editing. And when I gave it in, she called to apologize. I like Dorothy Parker. I would have gotten a scholarship. Lebowitz: I see no reason to get up before one oclock except to watch Family Feud. I would rather have a typist. Who hasnt typed for me in a long time? I could probably get a secretary for what I spend getting my friends to type for me. The good thing about being in someone elses apartment is its so much easier to leave than it is to get someone out. The other is that horses are hands. Metropolitan Life, published by E.P. We were all really jealous of him. I often think of the time before my brothers were bornand this might sound very childish, but I dont careas this paradise of my mother and me always being together. What could they be thinking? He was probably grumpy. So forcing people into a situation where theyre supposed to adore each other is probably bad. I wanted to be a beatnik. Ive never seen the Kardashians; Im not sure who they are. I also did some subcontract work for porn writers. The book was released in a 1994 compilation entitled The Fran Lebowitz Reader along with Lebowitz's other bestseller Social Studies. I loved to smoke. Lebowitz discoursed without pause for two hours, chain-smoking all the while. You published Metropolitan Life in installments in Interview. Maybe 20 people had read it, and he acted like it was in the Daily News. I used to steal hers. When I was younger, I might have said six months, although I think the longest relationship I was ever in was three years. I think I got to 2, and then I slept 22 hours. And in order to do that, you have to change it so they like it. More information It was the most money Id ever made. January 30, 2011. Three or four hours, okay, fine. I had never really read any poetry, so it was a completely invented style. This will come as no surprise to anyone who is even vaguely familiar with her work, which, in the past four decades, has largely consisted of being Fran Lebowitz: a strong-willed, grumpy,. by Anonymous: reply 136: January 15, 2021 3:23 AM: I adore her. Unless they die. Then to Merits. But this was the 60s, and there were all of these Harvard medical students there learning to be doctors, so all the doctors in the hospital had hair down to their shoulders and granny glasses. CLEMENTE: I think in your life youve said no more than yes. Because I had an ounce of marijuana. You're only as good as your last haircut. . Like there is an American family where someones supposed to be president. I did every single one like that. Lebowitz spent the pandemic alone, at her own insistence, having turned down offers to lock down with wealthy friends at their Hamptons homes . Used Planes comes out every single month. I Cover The Waterfront. But I wanted to be a beatnik when there were already hippies. Fabulous. Since 1974, High Times Magazine has been the #1 resource for cannabis news, culture, brands and marijuana legalization laws. First of all, there were a zillion bad jobs. High Times: What was it like being a cab driver? I didnt do anything interesting. Lebowitz will appear on stage for four performances only . I used to like this guy Milt Kamen. SHOP NOW. In placing them in magazines she was merely pursuing her policy of selling a piece of writing as many times as possible. General with two other people who were also smashed out of their minds. There was a sink in the bathroom. I never make the connection between someones writing and who they are. Another time I saw a real pretty girl standing in front of the mirror with a little tiny cigarette butt hanging out of her mouth, teasing her hair. But John Springer banned me from his screenings. In the vein of Lebowitz's acclaimed Netflix limited series, Pretend It's a CityThe Fran Lebowitz Reader brings together two of the famed author's bestsellers, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies.In "elegant, finely honed prose" (The Washington Post Book World), Lebowitz limns the vicissitudes of contemporary urban lifeits fads, trends, crazes, morals, and fashions. Im a great relative. LEBOWITZ: I think one manifestation of integrity is holding a grudge. Im sorry, were full up. I wanted to know what a vodka for women meant. High Times: If someone offered you an hour TV special that you could do anything with, what would you do? We think his version of the navy pinstripe would fit right in Fran's rotation. This is another thing most people don't know about Toni: though she was incredibly hardworking, she was physically incredibly lazy. I use them frequently. I remember walking in the hot sun to one of the American bases in Antiguapast the crazy house, as we called the lunatic asylum, and the dead house, where the bodies of people who died in the hospital were put until they were collected by the undertakerto be interviewed by an American soldiers wife. Because if people dont hold grudges, it means they just dont care what people do. One was called Catherine the Great, and it had a picture of her on the label. What are they going to possibly say thats of interest? You have to say fuck, you have to have these kinds of sex. I was a chauffeur for Johnny and Edgar Winter. movie. 15.19. CLEMENTE: You were not good at math in school? Hes not going to be president. Lucy is about the making of a person. But you need more room to do that. Once a girl was sitting on the window ledge smoking a cigarette and the matron walked in and the girl jumped out the window. I just dont like domestic life. I wrote it in a loose-leaf notebook in pencil. We didnt live well. CLEMENTE: There was a brilliant article by Rgis Debrayhe was a guerrilla guy with Che Guevarasaying that, since the election of the American president has an effect on the life of every citizen of the planet, all citizens of the planet should vote. There are these prototypes all over the place, mixed in with my own crummy furniture. I think I first came across it in one of the Bronts. And I feel this way more and more about the Republican candidates, certainly. The terrace that starts at the back door ends in a border of stones; the lawn, planted with thousands of daffodils, slopes down to a thickly shaded creek. I once read that deer are in the rodent family, and I still believe this. Fran Lebowitzs trademark is the sneer; she disapproves of virtually everything except sleep, cigarette smoking, and good furniture. For some reason, I decided to cut off my hair and bleach it blond. The essays were published inMetropolitan Life(1978) andSocial Studies(1981). I dont think I was still writing for Interview, but once you go outside your natural audience, there are tons of people that dont like you. And then they would get it, and I would get these polite little letters back rejecting it. In person and on the page, Kincaids is a literary voice. Its almost as good as being a mechanic. If I know its the last day, I always do it. But after a while Fran outgrew the bad-flick format. I can put my hand on any book in the whole house; I know where they are. Its not an area of interest. And I was really distraught. Good Books Books To Read Acceptance Speech National Book Award Wordsmith Great Words Ex Libris Reading Material Women Humor More information . CLEMENTE: The blood pressure will drop. Meet Fran Lebowitz and join her on her rambles as she muses about deadly distractions, Times Square terror, subway stoppers and total building fails. I was not surprised to see this. I was caught smoking, and I didnt have the cigarette in my hand or smoke coming out of my mouth, and they suspended me anyway, so it turned out not to be true, just suspicion was enough. . I always liked people who are older. Book 7. Im a horrible girlfriend. And I was once ejected from the Whitney Museum for making comments during a film about baking. Correct? I was the best-dressed nanny you ever saw. Fran Lebowitz is 69 years old October 27. Im very vilified for this, I have to say. Id read five or six each time I went on. Here's one guarantee in 2021: author Fran Lebowitz won't read this. The title song was sung by a truck. I used to start at midnight, but thats gotten pushed up, so now its common for me to start at three in the morning. She had managed to infiltrate the staff of a New York underground arts magazine called Changes as an ad sales person and eventually conned her way into writing assignments. Because it doesnt agitate against human nature. And then I would go to the Factory and turn it in. LEBOWITZ: I never remember saying that, but I would have to abridge that. Copyright 2023 Interview Magazine. I was really young. But you could live in New York. I remember I got $500 for it. But this idea that people cannot kill each other? Fran Lebowitz slams NYC mayor Eric Adams. I know who I like. My fathermy stepfatherhad gotten ill, and my parents had three boy children. Her hundreds of plants are layered into a composition of informal design, expressive of her refined aesthetic and untroubled eccentricity. I talked out of turn, I talked too much, I talked in class, I made jokes during the lessons, I whispered to other children. I hate money. I was a big fan of Sky King. I Cover the Waterfront is a 1933 American Pre-Code romantic drama film directed by James Cruze and starring Ben Lyon, Claudette Colbert, Ernest Torrence, and Hobart Cavanaugh.. Based on the book, by Max Miller, a reporter for the San Diego Sun, the film is about a reporter who investigates a waterfront smuggling operation, and becomes romantically involved with the daughter of the man he is . Meeting James Joyce would be more on the order of sightseeing, like seeing the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial. If theyd known anyone in London, they would have sent me there. And then, that machine is waiting for you, just humming uh-huh, yes?. I also have several writing habits necessitated by living in this apartment. It was actually a show for farmers. So Scully put on something called Village Varieties, and he hired all these teenaged artists-to-be, and it opened at ten in the morning and closed at six. One of which is that I strongly object to having more than one generation of a family being president. High Times: Were you a behavior problem in school? The rest of them were mostly folksingers and blues musicians and other horrible poets. I remember she wore her hair in a French roll, and she wore what they called a hobble skirt. No. I like Thurber. I don't care how she makes her money but she helps make the world a better place in to live in. I did not connect eating with staying alive, so I didnt think anything of eating the food. When I first came here, meeting writers wasnt available to me; but now that I have met tons of those people, I wish I hadnt. Okay? Lebowitz: Every single time Ive ever written I thought I couldnt do it. Saying no is a little different. I said, How could I help you choreograph a ballet? LEBOWITZ: I dont cook. Fran Lebowitz has realised George Costanza is, in fact, an idiot. LEBOWITZ: This has happened to me my whole life. Tolerance is really a better thing than understanding. I was more of a drinker. So I didnt have a kitchen. The idea wasnt that I would establish myself and then have the rest of my family join me. Fran Lebowitz, ace epigrammatist, is further a first-rate conversationalist, a hall-of-fame bibliomaniac, a chronic self-caricaturist, a gal-about-town, the soul of the city, a snappish social . Fran Lebowitz: I cover the waterfront. CLEMENTE: [laughs] Lets talk about your twenty thousand books. As boring as reading it. High Times: What are your favorite magazines? AS NEW.' Known for her white shirts and blue Levis jeans, Fran Lebowitz was named one of the most stylish women by 'Vanity Fair's 68th Annual International Best Dressed List in 2007. Lebowitz: I didnt worry about it. Glenn OBriens interview with the iconic Fran Lebowitz from the August, 1978 issue of High Times magazine. I just talked too much. That's honestly, that's love.". High Times: What was the first thing you wrote as a serious attempt to be a writer? Or I would call people on the telephone and have their responses broadcast. But then I found out it was fraud or something and I could go to jail, so I sent the money back and wrote to the people who sent it to me. [Clemente laughs] I mean, the great thing about New Jersey is that its close to New York. General? And I said, Because I liked your clever ads.. I would read it to him, because you cant read my writing. At the age of 21, Lebowitz was hired by Andy Warhol as a columnist for Interview magazine and began a column, "I Cover the Waterfront." Following that, she worked for Mademoiselle magazine.. So I would lie in bed and make up book reports about books that I made up. I suppose that my work is always mourning something, the loss of a paradisenot the thing that comes after you die, but the thing that you had before. Thats true of her music, but its also applicable to her podcast, Norah Jones is Playing Along.. And I said, Well, I dont really care. At first Fran had to sneak in her own brand of humor. In the early 1970s, Andy Warhol hired Lebowitz as a columnist for his magazine Interview, where she wrote a column, I Cover The Waterfront. Instead of representing oil as self-evident, Sinclair imbues it with a kaleidoscopic range of associations that reimagine it on visionary new terms.. I published it under the name of the headmaster who threw me out of school. "One of the reasons people our age came to New York, if you were gay, was because you . When I was really young I wanted to be a toll taker because I thought they kept the money. At the beginning, every day, you asked me a hundred questions about myself. But there was a myth about her. They told you what to write. Then 50 questions, then 20 questions, then, finally, you said, Can you see Im trying to read?. 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